In a previous post I mentioned the Poznan (Posen) Project, which led me to a marriage record data for August Friederich Kroll (1862) and Anna Mathilde Herzke (1868). Most importantly it names both sets of Parents. It turns out that none of this is really new news, BUT it is a citable, "official" document that PROVES, for the first time, this genertion of the Kroll and Herzke names (via the parents names) are accurate and correct.
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| Kroll-Herzke Marriage Record from the Poznan Project |
What other records did I find? In short NONE! Altough there are a large number of Kroll and Kròl.
Why? Civil Registration of Births (Geburtsregister), Marriages (Heiraten , Ehen, or Trauungen) and Deaths (Sterberegister or Totenregister) officially began on October 1, 1874 in Posen. Reviewing the explanation of the data in the Poznan (Posen Project) reveals that the date range of records is very limited. For the civil district of Murowana-Goslin, which includes Przependowo the date range for Birth's, Marriages and Deaths is narrow, 1874-1877 (land) or 1874-1892 (Index/City). Some civil records are split to 'City' and 'Land' records. In the former, events from the village or town locality itself were registered, while in the 'Land' records they registered people living in the surrounding area, I. E. the surrounding farmlands and rural areas.
This was somewhat confusing since I would expect to find Kroll & Herzke records under "Land" but since the date is 1887, they are within the "city" window. No Matter...I am grateful to find them at all, but deligent searching under both their family names and their given names returns no other records, so, this appears to be a dead end, primarily due to the narrow window, At least for now because new records are being added all the time.
What about finding their Parents Marriage records? Assuming their parents where married before they were born, that would mean their marriages took place prior to 1868 for the Herzkes and 1862 for the Krolls. Since German Civil registration began in Posen in 1874, these Civil records simply do not exist. It is possible they may be found in Parish records but that will be another project for another day! The Poznen Project has No records available (at this time?) for the Lutheran Parish.
What about my Great-Grandparents, Julius Kroll and Ottilie Herzke? They were wed in Blue Island, Illinois in 1893. I do have several records from this event but their parents names are not mentioned in the records I have thus far uncovered. (See the The Union of Ottilie Herzke and Julius Kroll)
Why? Civil Registration of Births (Geburtsregister), Marriages (Heiraten , Ehen, or Trauungen) and Deaths (Sterberegister or Totenregister) officially began on October 1, 1874 in Posen. Reviewing the explanation of the data in the Poznan (Posen Project) reveals that the date range of records is very limited. For the civil district of Murowana-Goslin, which includes Przependowo the date range for Birth's, Marriages and Deaths is narrow, 1874-1877 (land) or 1874-1892 (Index/City). Some civil records are split to 'City' and 'Land' records. In the former, events from the village or town locality itself were registered, while in the 'Land' records they registered people living in the surrounding area, I. E. the surrounding farmlands and rural areas.
This was somewhat confusing since I would expect to find Kroll & Herzke records under "Land" but since the date is 1887, they are within the "city" window. No Matter...I am grateful to find them at all, but deligent searching under both their family names and their given names returns no other records, so, this appears to be a dead end, primarily due to the narrow window, At least for now because new records are being added all the time.
What about finding their Parents Marriage records? Assuming their parents where married before they were born, that would mean their marriages took place prior to 1868 for the Herzkes and 1862 for the Krolls. Since German Civil registration began in Posen in 1874, these Civil records simply do not exist. It is possible they may be found in Parish records but that will be another project for another day! The Poznen Project has No records available (at this time?) for the Lutheran Parish.
What about my Great-Grandparents, Julius Kroll and Ottilie Herzke? They were wed in Blue Island, Illinois in 1893. I do have several records from this event but their parents names are not mentioned in the records I have thus far uncovered. (See the The Union of Ottilie Herzke and Julius Kroll)
more detailed information about civil records in Posen can be found here: https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Posen,_German_Empire_Civil_Registration
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